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HOWEDY goldenmike4393,
to try it till they run HOWETA dog <{) ; ~ ) >
Date: Sun, Oct 25 1998 3:00 am
Email: ***@webtv.net (FREDERICK HASSEN)
One thing I did want to mention. Having spoke with Dick Koehler and
Tony Anchetta (Top Aide) already on the phone numerous times, I did
happen to ask them their opinion on all of the so-called "new" and
"modern" techniques that are out there. I was referring to the "new
age" "Positive only" and such stuff that is out today.
They mentioned that there is nothing new on that realm that wasn't
going
on in the 60's and that Mr. William Koehler himself had not seen.
People were training with treats and other such stuff for a long time
before now.
FRED HASSEN
"SIT MEANS SIT" Internet talkshow host
http://www.lovemypets.com
Dog Training for the Real World
----------------
"Estel J. Hines" <***@comcast.net wrote in message
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Until i read the Jerry method of Bark
reduction, it went something like this
with our 11 month old puppy "Yoshi"
Yoshi: Bark, bark,
us: HUSH Youshi
Yoshi Bark, bark......................
us: Hush Youshi
Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, ...............
it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking
We decided to try the Jerry method
Yoshi: BARK, BARK
US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?
Yoshi Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them.
Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.
I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this.
Thanks Jerry
ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yoshi", whom we love very much. --
Best Regards,
Estel J. Hines
==============
Brandy Kurtz" <***@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
to train yet.
Today a salesman knocked on the door,
and Pokey was going balisstic. I calmly
go to the window to see who it is, and
off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me
a quizical look, and came and sat beside
my feet!
OMG, I could not believe it!
I was totally floored, as this has been his
behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)
Brandy
-----------------
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.
I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.
Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.
I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.
I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.
A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.
We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.
So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
His method worked for us.
I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.
Florence
-------------
Dave Cohen <***@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry
and have spoken with him briefly once by email.
I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for
one of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.
I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!
I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.
Thank you Jerry!
----------------
From: Mike (***@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
-----------
From: Paul B (***@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Can packleader influence rank?
Date: 2002-02-25 00:51:48 PST
I use sound to distract the dog and praise it
immediately. The reason for the immediate
praise is that as soon as the dog is distracted
it's no longer thinking of the inappropriate
behaviour so the praise reinforces the "not
doing" the unwanted behaviour.
I use various sound sources, a soda can
with stones in it, car keys, Click my fingers,
etc. Varying the direction of the sound each
time is important too, otherwise the dog may
begin to anticipate the sound and it will lose
it's effect, if the noise direction is random the
dog won't get too familiar with it and it will
remain an effective distraction.
Remember too that we aren't trying to scare
the bejesus outta the dog, simply breaking it's
train of thought while it's thinking of the unwanted
behaviour.
Sometimes you won't even see a reaction
but the dog will have been distracted fleetingly.
(Recently one of my dogs started habitually
licking my feet while I was watching TV, I clicked
my fingers on her left side and told her "good girl"
even though she only paused her licking briefly,
next I clicked over her right side and praised, by
about the 4th repeat she suddenly stopped, I
repeated this over a few nights and now she
doesn't lick any more, on the few occasions she
absent mindedly licks now all I do is click and
praise and she immediately stops).
Timing is important too, learn to anticipate
when the dog isthinking about doing the
"dirty deed" and distract and praise then,
with any luck the dog will try again almost
immediately so distract and praise again,
if the timing is correct after about the 4th
rep the dog will stop.
I could go on but this post is long enough
already, remember too that the dog isn't
being a "bad dog", it's behaviour is simply
inappropriate for the circumstances.
Happy training, :-)
Paul
------------
From: Marshall Dermer (***@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST
section from Jerry's manual where he
writes that you should JUST praise the
dog when it barks?????????
As I recall, I thought he first advocates
distracting the dog from barking, with
keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
can, before praising.
Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
Jerry's system.
Thanks in advance!
--Marshall Dermer
PS: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
forward to your post.
From: Marshall Dermer (***@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.
You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
is not the purpose of teaspoon!
--Marshall
"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.
Hello Jenn,
Cold Exercise.
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.
Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.
Likewise for any other door.
It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.
Hello James,
I have used his recommended techniques and
ideas with greatsuccess, and over the period
I've used these methods the more I've become
to understand and appreciate how his methods
work and how effective they can be if carried
out correctly.
His manual isn't conventional and as such
gets critisized and misunderstood. The basic
concept is to allow the dog to choose whatever
behaviour it wants for any situation but to
distract (and immediately praise ) it from
behaviours we deem undesirable, because of
the correctly timed distractions repeated
usually about 4 times (in each location) the
dog decides of it own accord that this behaviour
is undesriable and therefore pursues something
else, if that behaviour is also inappropriate
to us then we carry on distracting, very soon
the dog finds a behaviour that is mutually acceptable.
The benefits of this type of approach are
numerous, Firstly we aren't challenging
the dog so there is no conflict so the dog
does't develop any possible negativity to
us, the dog decides of it own free will that
a behaviour is unsatisfying so chooses to
cease it (in other words even if we are gone
the dog won't have any desire to pursue that
behaviour i.e. bin raiding etc).
I would recommend his manual.
Paul
------------
"Marshall Dermer" <***@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$***@uwm.edu...
From: Paul B (***@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST
Hello Marshall,
The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.
The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.
A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.
One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.
While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.
any price, including the thirty five level of medical grade
static like stimulation devices and pronged spiked pinch
choke collars our "experts" here love so much.
misused.
and treat animals kindly.
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain HOWE the
distraction and praise process works from his POV as an
experience handler using my methods.
with every glance towards you and every thought.
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.
As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a
command or thought we want him to process.
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.
Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.
Here's professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into ITS face for
five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation"
dermer of the Department of ANAL-ytic Behavior at UofWI, pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (***@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.=AD),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ ***@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
From: ***@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps
pick her up ONLY by the skin at the back of her neck, for 5
sec, and loudly say, "NO!" Alternatively, say "NO!" and hold
her mouth shut for say 15 sec.
If she so snaps that you can't do the above then you
will have to find another way to administer a prompt
correction, for example, throwing a can filled with
pennies, or a tug on the collar. --Marshall
"Oops! I would start by only holing her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.
At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
P=2ES. Contacting Dr. P:
Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.
In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.
That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.
Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.
If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.
P=2EP.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <***@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <***@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <***@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<***@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent=AD,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts =ADto
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
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as separate, not the wise.
If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.
The level which is reached by wisdom
is attained
through right action as well.
He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."
"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.
What is the use of compulsion then?
The love and hate which are aroused by
the objects of sense
arise from Nature, do not yield to them.
They only obstruct the path," -
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Krishna with permission from
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Dog Barks at Company
That's a dogs JOB.Does anyone have any tips?
Yeah. PRAISE HIM.I sometimes tell him, "It's okay" but he doesn't believe me.
Right. Why should he?Other times, I smack a magazine on the counter, the loud
noise grabs his attention, then I say emphatically NO.
Yeah. That NEVER WORKS but all the EXXXPERTS likenoise grabs his attention, then I say emphatically NO.
to try it till they run HOWETA dog <{) ; ~ ) >
Thanks
From: FREDERICK HASSEN -Date: Sun, Oct 25 1998 3:00 am
Email: ***@webtv.net (FREDERICK HASSEN)
One thing I did want to mention. Having spoke with Dick Koehler and
Tony Anchetta (Top Aide) already on the phone numerous times, I did
happen to ask them their opinion on all of the so-called "new" and
"modern" techniques that are out there. I was referring to the "new
age" "Positive only" and such stuff that is out today.
They mentioned that there is nothing new on that realm that wasn't
going
on in the 60's and that Mr. William Koehler himself had not seen.
People were training with treats and other such stuff for a long time
before now.
FRED HASSEN
"SIT MEANS SIT" Internet talkshow host
http://www.lovemypets.com
Dog Training for the Real World
----------------
"Estel J. Hines" <***@comcast.net wrote in message
news: w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...
__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$***@comcast.com...
Until i read the Jerry method of Bark
reduction, it went something like this
with our 11 month old puppy "Yoshi"
Yoshi: Bark, bark,
us: HUSH Youshi
Yoshi Bark, bark......................
us: Hush Youshi
Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, ...............
it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking
We decided to try the Jerry method
Yoshi: BARK, BARK
US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?
Yoshi Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them.
Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.
I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this.
Thanks Jerry
ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yoshi", whom we love very much. --
Best Regards,
Estel J. Hines
==============
Brandy Kurtz" <***@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
to train yet.
Today a salesman knocked on the door,
and Pokey was going balisstic. I calmly
go to the window to see who it is, and
off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me
a quizical look, and came and sat beside
my feet!
OMG, I could not believe it!
I was totally floored, as this has been his
behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)
Brandy
-----------------
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.
I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.
Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.
I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.
I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.
A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.
We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.
So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
His method worked for us.
I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.
Florence
-------------
Dave Cohen <***@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry
and have spoken with him briefly once by email.
I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for
one of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.
I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!
I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.
Thank you Jerry!
----------------
From: Mike (***@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
Mike
Ok Mike which part worked for you?Mike
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
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From: Paul B (***@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Can packleader influence rank?
Date: 2002-02-25 00:51:48 PST
I use sound to distract the dog and praise it
immediately. The reason for the immediate
praise is that as soon as the dog is distracted
it's no longer thinking of the inappropriate
behaviour so the praise reinforces the "not
doing" the unwanted behaviour.
I use various sound sources, a soda can
with stones in it, car keys, Click my fingers,
etc. Varying the direction of the sound each
time is important too, otherwise the dog may
begin to anticipate the sound and it will lose
it's effect, if the noise direction is random the
dog won't get too familiar with it and it will
remain an effective distraction.
Remember too that we aren't trying to scare
the bejesus outta the dog, simply breaking it's
train of thought while it's thinking of the unwanted
behaviour.
Sometimes you won't even see a reaction
but the dog will have been distracted fleetingly.
(Recently one of my dogs started habitually
licking my feet while I was watching TV, I clicked
my fingers on her left side and told her "good girl"
even though she only paused her licking briefly,
next I clicked over her right side and praised, by
about the 4th repeat she suddenly stopped, I
repeated this over a few nights and now she
doesn't lick any more, on the few occasions she
absent mindedly licks now all I do is click and
praise and she immediately stops).
Timing is important too, learn to anticipate
when the dog isthinking about doing the
"dirty deed" and distract and praise then,
with any luck the dog will try again almost
immediately so distract and praise again,
if the timing is correct after about the 4th
rep the dog will stop.
I could go on but this post is long enough
already, remember too that the dog isn't
being a "bad dog", it's behaviour is simply
inappropriate for the circumstances.
Happy training, :-)
Paul
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From: Marshall Dermer (***@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST
Hi Lynn,
I used to have a barking problem with my
German Shepherd Dog a couple of years ago.
I tried several things recommended to me by
different trainers, and nothing was working.
When I read that section of Jerry's Manual,
I thought the same way you did.
"What???? PRAISE her for barking?" It sounded
counterproductive, but I had tried everything else
I'd heard so I thought I'd try it too.
Next time she went nuts at a person walking by
outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl! You are
such a good protector!" And instead of continuing
the barking, she came to me for a belly rub! She
will still bark (she's a guard dog, that's her job),
but after one bark, she knows she's done her job
to warn me by my praise, and she stops.
Jenn,
Could you be so kind as to post here theI used to have a barking problem with my
German Shepherd Dog a couple of years ago.
I tried several things recommended to me by
different trainers, and nothing was working.
When I read that section of Jerry's Manual,
I thought the same way you did.
"What???? PRAISE her for barking?" It sounded
counterproductive, but I had tried everything else
I'd heard so I thought I'd try it too.
Next time she went nuts at a person walking by
outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl! You are
such a good protector!" And instead of continuing
the barking, she came to me for a belly rub! She
will still bark (she's a guard dog, that's her job),
but after one bark, she knows she's done her job
to warn me by my praise, and she stops.
Jenn,
section from Jerry's manual where he
writes that you should JUST praise the
dog when it barks?????????
As I recall, I thought he first advocates
distracting the dog from barking, with
keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
can, before praising.
Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
Jerry's system.
Thanks in advance!
--Marshall Dermer
PS: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
forward to your post.
From: Marshall Dermer (***@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST
Hi, DogStar716, sorry you feel this way about
me. I hope I can change your mind in the future,
as I love reading your posts, and value (and
have used) some of your advice.
BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!me. I hope I can change your mind in the future,
as I love reading your posts, and value (and
have used) some of your advice.
As for my post to Jer, I am just attempting
to get a plain answer about something instead
of a trash- fest. I just want to know if it can be
done.
Jenn Standring
I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker toto get a plain answer about something instead
of a trash- fest. I just want to know if it can be
done.
Jenn Standring
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.
You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
is not the purpose of teaspoon!
--Marshall
"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.
Hello Jenn,
Hello Jerry,
I just wanted to let you know that I am trying this right now.
Good.I just wanted to let you know that I am trying this right now.
I am the woman who wrote to you a while ago about
trying to walk my dog without the pinch collar.
I recall.trying to walk my dog without the pinch collar.
She also goes APE when I grab the leash. We have
been doing this technique you recommend for about
a half an hour now and the results are already
fantastic, as well as amusing!
Yeah, dog training should always be more fun than work.been doing this technique you recommend for about
a half an hour now and the results are already
fantastic, as well as amusing!
At first, we went out and I stood there,
and Anya kept trying to head out to the
sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.
It's the same principle as in the Hot Andand Anya kept trying to head out to the
sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.
Cold Exercise.
I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
stopped and looked at me as if she were
thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
The second and third times, she was even
MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
I got the same look when I turned around
to go back in. The fourth time, she just
bounced a bit as she walked to the door
with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
up the leash, and this last time, I HAD
TO CALL HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!
Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis ofbut we came in after about 30 seconds. She
stopped and looked at me as if she were
thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
The second and third times, she was even
MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
I got the same look when I turned around
to go back in. The fourth time, she just
bounced a bit as she walked to the door
with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
up the leash, and this last time, I HAD
TO CALL HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.
Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.
Likewise for any other door.
It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.
If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
done this a long time ago saving myself 5
years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!
The non force methods work fast and easydone this a long time ago saving myself 5
years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.
I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
that I still find myself yanking on her collar.
Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier forI have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
that I still find myself yanking on her collar.
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.
I feel so awful! We have only been working
in the yard without distractions, because I
honestly don't know what will happen if she
sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
collar to keep her from dragging me over for
a fight.
You know that working the dog in the backin the yard without distractions, because I
honestly don't know what will happen if she
sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
collar to keep her from dragging me over for
a fight.
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.
The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
combined with the intense fear I used to see
in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!
Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT andhook and don't take the pinch collar, her
excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
combined with the intense fear I used to see
in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.
That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
know how, but I'm learning!
That's where I was three dozen years ago. I wasfear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
know how, but I'm learning!
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.
Thanks for your help. Please send more
suggestions if you saw something I could
be doing differently!
Jenn & Anya
-------------suggestions if you saw something I could
be doing differently!
Jenn & Anya
I have downloaded and have read Jerry's
Wit's End document. Ignoring what you
think of his participation, what is your
assessment of the merits of his techniques?
Wit's End document. Ignoring what you
think of his participation, what is your
assessment of the merits of his techniques?
I have used his recommended techniques and
ideas with greatsuccess, and over the period
I've used these methods the more I've become
to understand and appreciate how his methods
work and how effective they can be if carried
out correctly.
His manual isn't conventional and as such
gets critisized and misunderstood. The basic
concept is to allow the dog to choose whatever
behaviour it wants for any situation but to
distract (and immediately praise ) it from
behaviours we deem undesirable, because of
the correctly timed distractions repeated
usually about 4 times (in each location) the
dog decides of it own accord that this behaviour
is undesriable and therefore pursues something
else, if that behaviour is also inappropriate
to us then we carry on distracting, very soon
the dog finds a behaviour that is mutually acceptable.
The benefits of this type of approach are
numerous, Firstly we aren't challenging
the dog so there is no conflict so the dog
does't develop any possible negativity to
us, the dog decides of it own free will that
a behaviour is unsatisfying so chooses to
cease it (in other words even if we are gone
the dog won't have any desire to pursue that
behaviour i.e. bin raiding etc).
I would recommend his manual.
Paul
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"Marshall Dermer" <***@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$***@uwm.edu...
From: Paul B (***@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST
Hello Marshall,
The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.
The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.
A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.
One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.
While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.
Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising
a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
that this may not work and so distraction
There really is NOTHING new about the advice above!
I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on
your website,
It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
that this may not work and so distraction
There really is NOTHING new about the advice above!
I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on
your website,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.
but it already worked miracles with our three dogs.
Excellent.The barking at the door has diminished so much
that, well, frankly, we're stunned.
My methods work faster than any others, anywhere atthat, well, frankly, we're stunned.
any price, including the thirty five level of medical grade
static like stimulation devices and pronged spiked pinch
choke collars our "experts" here love so much.
We were sort of on the same page with you to begin
with (no crates, no choke chains).
Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only the way they'rewith (no crates, no choke chains).
misused.
A lot of what you say reminds of my dad's techniques
(he's an 84 year old dog lover,one of those about whom
people say, "dogs really like him." He's
never had a badly behaved dog.
Good. I've got a lot in common with folks who are gentle(he's an 84 year old dog lover,one of those about whom
people say, "dogs really like him." He's
never had a badly behaved dog.
and treat animals kindly.
We'd never heard of the noise emphasis,
You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.but the overall plan makes great sense.
Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent postrecently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain HOWE the
distraction and praise process works from his POV as an
experience handler using my methods.
I did have a question. The hardest part for us to
implement is the verbal praise only.
Why? That should be spontaneous and in associationimplement is the verbal praise only.
with every glance towards you and every thought.
It's so hard not to pet and stroke the dog (especially
our seven month old).
Oh. Patting is O.K., only not in conjunction with aour seven month old).
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.
Can you give me the rationale behind that?
It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.
As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.
It will help me modify my own behavior.
Any time your dog is close enough to be patted isfine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a
command or thought we want him to process.
Anyway, your approach is amazing.
Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are aseffective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.
Melisand
===================Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.
Here's professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into ITS face for
five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation"
dermer of the Department of ANAL-ytic Behavior at UofWI, pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (***@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.=AD),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ ***@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
From: ***@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps
However, there have been incidences where she has
growled and snapped at us...for instance, when we
were trying to dry her off after bathtime.
When your three-month old pooch growls or snaps, IMMEDIATELYgrowled and snapped at us...for instance, when we
were trying to dry her off after bathtime.
pick her up ONLY by the skin at the back of her neck, for 5
sec, and loudly say, "NO!" Alternatively, say "NO!" and hold
her mouth shut for say 15 sec.
If she so snaps that you can't do the above then you
will have to find another way to administer a prompt
correction, for example, throwing a can filled with
pennies, or a tug on the collar. --Marshall
shut for say 5 sec.
At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
P=2ES. Contacting Dr. P:
Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.
In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.
That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.
Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.
If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.
P=2EP.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <***@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <***@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <***@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<***@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent=AD,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts =ADto
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
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as separate, not the wise.
If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.
The level which is reached by wisdom
is attained
through right action as well.
He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."
"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.
What is the use of compulsion then?
The love and hate which are aroused by
the objects of sense
arise from Nature, do not yield to them.
They only obstruct the path," -
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