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Murder conviction reinstated in fatal 2001 S.F. dog mauling
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Murder conviction reinstated in fatal S.F. dog mauling
Bob Egelko,
San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, August 22, 2008
(08-22) 16:57 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- A judge reinstated a San Francisco
attorney's murder conviction Friday for her dog's fatal mauling of her
neighbor in an apartment building hallway in 2001 and ordered her
jailed immediately while she awaits a prison sentence of 15 years to
life.
Marjorie Knoller, 53, sat quietly in the courtroom while Superior
Court Judge Charlotte Woolard discounted her testimony at her 2002
trial and said Knoller had known her dog was potentially lethal when
she took the animal out of her apartment without a muzzle.
The 140-pound Presa Canario, Bane, bolted away from Knoller and
attacked Diane Whipple, 33, who bled to death from at least 77 wounds.
The dog's 100-pound mate, Hera, charged out of Knoller's apartment and
may have joined in the attack.
Knoller "knew her conduct endangered life" and thus was guilty of
murder, not merely manslaughter, Woolard said in rejecting a defense
request for a new trial. Prosecutors had appealed a decision by the
trial judge, who is now retired, to reduce the jury's second-degree
murder verdict to involuntary manslaughter.
Woolard scheduled sentencing for Sept. 22. Knoller had been sentenced
to four years for manslaughter and was paroled in January 2004, with
time off for good behavior. She has been living in Florida, where she
takes care of her elderly mother, her lawyer said.
The ruling brought smiles and tears from a group of Whipple's friends
in the courtroom. Her former partner, Sharon Smith, said afterward
that she was grateful for the decision, frustrated that it had taken
so long, and wanted Knoller "to be treated like any other criminal
who's committed murder."
Knoller's lawyer, Dennis Riordan, promised an extensive appeal in both
state and federal court. He said Woolard's ruling "stretched the
definition of murder" to reach a result "that may be popular, perhaps,
in San Francisco" but is on shaky legal ground.
Whipple, the women's lacrosse coach at St. Mary's College in Moraga,
was attacked in a sixth-floor hallway of the Pacific Heights apartment
building Jan. 26, 2001. Knoller had been walking Bane dog on the roof
of the building and had returned with him to the corridor when he
broke away and jumped at Whipple.
Woolard, at Friday's hearing, recounted descriptions by neighbors, who
heard Whipple's screams turn to whimpers before police found her
trying to crawl back to her apartment. Knoller emerged from her
apartment shortly afterward, bearing some scratches, and didn't ask
anyone about Whipple, the judge said, citing trial testimony.
A jury in Los Angeles, where the trial was moved because of extensive
publicity in the Bay Area, convicted Knoller of second-degree murder
in 2002. The panel found her then-husband and law partner, Robert
Noel, guilty of involuntary manslaughter for leaving the dogs with his
wife while knowing she couldn't control them. He was paroled in
September 2003.
Trial judge believed her
But Superior Court Judge James Warren reduced Knoller's conviction to
involuntary manslaughter, saying he believed her when she testified
she had no idea Bane might kill someone.
Knoller's case wound up back in Superior Court after the state Supreme
Court ruled last year that Warren had used the wrong legal standard in
reducing Knoller's conviction. The court said prosecutors seeking a
murder conviction in a mauling case don't have to prove the owner knew
the dog was likely to kill, only that the owner was aware the animal
was potentially lethal and exposed others to the danger.
The court returned the case to Superior Court to decide whether to
reinstate Knoller's murder conviction and 15-to-life sentence, or
order a new trial on the murder charge.
Warren willing to take case
Warren was willing to come out of retirement to handle the case, but
the court's presiding judge assigned it to Woolard - a decision that
Knoller's lawyer opposed and said he would raise in her appeal.
Riordan argued that Woolard was bound by Warren's finding that Knoller
hadn't known the dog could kill someone. That means she wasn't guilty
of murder even under the state Supreme Court's new standard, Riordan
said.
He noted that Warren had heard Knoller testify in person, while
Woolard was merely reviewing the written record.
Deputy Attorney General Amy Haddix countered that the jury's murder
verdict was amply supported by evidence that Knoller had been warned
the dogs were dangerous, had seen them repeatedly attack and threaten
other dogs and people, and had taken no steps to protect Whipple.
Woolard agreed in a ruling that took her nearly a half hour to read
from the bench.
When Knoller and Noel took custody of the dogs in 2000 from prison
inmates at Pelican Bay, the judge said, a veterinarian warned them in
a letter that the animals were huge, untrained and "a liability in any
household."
Woolard cited trial testimony about 30 incidents in which one or both
Presa Canarios lunged at, chased or bit other dogs and people, with
one or both owners looking on and seemingly unable to control the
animals. She noted that Knoller had appeared on ABC-TV's "Good Morning
America" shortly after the fatal attack, accused witnesses of
fabricating, and suggested Whipple was to blame for her own death.
Despite Warren's conclusion that Knoller hadn't known Bane could kill,
Woolard said, the evidence showed that she had known that both dogs
"singularly or together were capable of killing a person and, if not
properly restrained, would kill a person."
whitevamp
2008-08-23 18:36:13 UTC
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Murder conviction reinstated in fatal S.F. dog mauling
Bob Egelko,
San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, August 22, 2008
(08-22) 16:57 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- A judge reinstated a San Francisco
attorney's murder conviction Friday for her dog's fatal mauling of her
neighbor in an apartment building hallway in 2001 and ordered her
jailed immediately while she awaits a prison sentence of 15 years to
life.
Marjorie Knoller, 53, sat quietly in the courtroom while Superior
Court Judge Charlotte Woolard discounted her testimony at her 2002
trial and said Knoller had known her dog was potentially lethal when
she took the animal out of her apartment without a muzzle.
The 140-pound Presa Canario, Bane, bolted away from Knoller and
attacked Diane Whipple, 33, who bled to death from at least 77 wounds.
The dog's 100-pound mate, Hera, charged out of Knoller's apartment and
may have joined in the attack.
Knoller "knew her conduct endangered life" and thus was guilty of
murder, not merely manslaughter, Woolard said in rejecting a defense
request for a new trial. Prosecutors had appealed a decision by the
trial judge, who is now retired, to reduce the jury's second-degree
murder verdict to involuntary manslaughter.
Woolard scheduled sentencing for Sept. 22. Knoller had been sentenced
to four years for manslaughter and was paroled in January 2004, with
time off for good behavior. She has been living in Florida, where she
takes care of her elderly mother, her lawyer said.
The ruling brought smiles and tears from a group of Whipple's friends
in the courtroom. Her former partner, Sharon Smith, said afterward
that she was grateful for the decision, frustrated that it had taken
so long, and wanted Knoller "to be treated like any other criminal
who's committed murder."
Knoller's lawyer, Dennis Riordan, promised an extensive appeal in both
state and federal court. He said Woolard's ruling "stretched the
definition of murder" to reach a result "that may be popular, perhaps,
in San Francisco" but is on shaky legal ground.
Whipple, the women's lacrosse coach at St. Mary's College in Moraga,
was attacked in a sixth-floor hallway of the Pacific Heights apartment
building Jan. 26, 2001. Knoller had been walking Bane dog on the roof
of the building and had returned with him to the corridor when he
broke away and jumped at Whipple.
Woolard, at Friday's hearing, recounted descriptions by neighbors, who
heard Whipple's screams turn to whimpers before police found her
trying to crawl back to her apartment. Knoller emerged from her
apartment shortly afterward, bearing some scratches, and didn't ask
anyone about Whipple, the judge said, citing trial testimony.
A jury in Los Angeles, where the trial was moved because of extensive
publicity in the Bay Area, convicted Knoller of second-degree murder
in 2002. The panel found her then-husband and law partner, Robert
Noel, guilty of involuntary manslaughter for leaving the dogs with his
wife while knowing she couldn't control them. He was paroled in
September 2003.
Trial judge believed her
But Superior Court Judge James Warren reduced Knoller's conviction to
involuntary manslaughter, saying he believed her when she testified
she had no idea Bane might kill someone.
Knoller's case wound up back in Superior Court after the state Supreme
Court ruled last year that Warren had used the wrong legal standard in
reducing Knoller's conviction. The court said prosecutors seeking a
murder conviction in a mauling case don't have to prove the owner knew
the dog was likely to kill, only that the owner was aware the animal
was potentially lethal and exposed others to the danger.
The court returned the case to Superior Court to decide whether to
reinstate Knoller's murder conviction and 15-to-life sentence, or
order a new trial on the murder charge.
Warren willing to take case
Warren was willing to come out of retirement to handle the case, but
the court's presiding judge assigned it to Woolard - a decision that
Knoller's lawyer opposed and said he would raise in her appeal.
Riordan argued that Woolard was bound by Warren's finding that Knoller
hadn't known the dog could kill someone. That means she wasn't guilty
of murder even under the state Supreme Court's new standard, Riordan
said.
He noted that Warren had heard Knoller testify in person, while
Woolard was merely reviewing the written record.
Deputy Attorney General Amy Haddix countered that the jury's murder
verdict was amply supported by evidence that Knoller had been warned
the dogs were dangerous, had seen them repeatedly attack and threaten
other dogs and people, and had taken no steps to protect Whipple.
Woolard agreed in a ruling that took her nearly a half hour to read
from the bench.
When Knoller and Noel took custody of the dogs in 2000 from prison
inmates at Pelican Bay, the judge said, a veterinarian warned them in
a letter that the animals were huge, untrained and "a liability in any
household."
Woolard cited trial testimony about 30 incidents in which one or both
Presa Canarios lunged at, chased or bit other dogs and people, with
one or both owners looking on and seemingly unable to control the
animals. She noted that Knoller had appeared on ABC-TV's "Good Morning
America" shortly after the fatal attack, accused witnesses of
fabricating, and suggested Whipple was to blame for her own death.
Despite Warren's conclusion that Knoller hadn't known Bane could kill,
Woolard said, the evidence showed that she had known that both dogs
"singularly or together were capable of killing a person and, if not
properly restrained, would kill a person."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
May I introduce you folks to this guy, Prof_Jonez also uses the nym
reality_check but his real name is Eric Ross. He popped into your
newsgroup because he likes to abuse people on usenet. If you have
Google, check out his posting history as " Prof_Jonez". The level of
activity, mostly abusive, is astounding. He has over the years used
many nyms, inclusing ultraman, vox ultra and others.

This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman. he also has an
obsession about fecal eating and his level of cussing or vulgarity is
pathetic for a guy in his fourties. Rumor has it he ran off to Canada
to avoid charges of child sexual abuse.


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_ Prof. Jonez _
2008-08-23 18:50:52 UTC
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Murder conviction reinstated in fatal S.F. dog mauling
Bob Egelko,
San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, August 22, 2008
(08-22) 16:57 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- A judge reinstated a San
Francisco attorney's murder conviction Friday for her dog's fatal
mauling of her neighbor in an apartment building hallway in 2001
and ordered her jailed immediately while she awaits a prison
sentence of 15 years to life.
Marjorie Knoller, 53, sat quietly in the courtroom while Superior
Court Judge Charlotte Woolard discounted her testimony at her 2002
trial and said Knoller had known her dog was potentially lethal when
she took the animal out of her apartment without a muzzle.
The 140-pound Presa Canario, Bane, bolted away from Knoller and
attacked Diane Whipple, 33, who bled to death from at least 77
wounds. The dog's 100-pound mate, Hera, charged out of Knoller's
apartment and may have joined in the attack.
Knoller "knew her conduct endangered life" and thus was guilty of
murder, not merely manslaughter, Woolard said in rejecting a defense
request for a new trial. Prosecutors had appealed a decision by the
trial judge, who is now retired, to reduce the jury's second-degree
murder verdict to involuntary manslaughter.
Woolard scheduled sentencing for Sept. 22. Knoller had been
sentenced to four years for manslaughter and was paroled in January
2004, with time off for good behavior. She has been living in
Florida, where she takes care of her elderly mother, her lawyer
said.
The ruling brought smiles and tears from a group of Whipple's
friends in the courtroom. Her former partner, Sharon Smith, said
afterward that she was grateful for the decision, frustrated that
it had taken so long, and wanted Knoller "to be treated like any
other criminal who's committed murder."
Knoller's lawyer, Dennis Riordan, promised an extensive appeal in
both state and federal court. He said Woolard's ruling "stretched
the definition of murder" to reach a result "that may be popular,
perhaps, in San Francisco" but is on shaky legal ground.
Whipple, the women's lacrosse coach at St. Mary's College in Moraga,
was attacked in a sixth-floor hallway of the Pacific Heights
apartment building Jan. 26, 2001. Knoller had been walking Bane dog
on the roof of the building and had returned with him to the
corridor when he broke away and jumped at Whipple.
Woolard, at Friday's hearing, recounted descriptions by neighbors,
who heard Whipple's screams turn to whimpers before police found her
trying to crawl back to her apartment. Knoller emerged from her
apartment shortly afterward, bearing some scratches, and didn't ask
anyone about Whipple, the judge said, citing trial testimony.
A jury in Los Angeles, where the trial was moved because of
extensive publicity in the Bay Area, convicted Knoller of
second-degree murder in 2002. The panel found her then-husband and
law partner, Robert Noel, guilty of involuntary manslaughter for
leaving the dogs with his wife while knowing she couldn't control
them. He was paroled in September 2003.
Trial judge believed her
But Superior Court Judge James Warren reduced Knoller's conviction
to involuntary manslaughter, saying he believed her when she
testified she had no idea Bane might kill someone.
Knoller's case wound up back in Superior Court after the state
Supreme Court ruled last year that Warren had used the wrong legal
standard in reducing Knoller's conviction. The court said
prosecutors seeking a murder conviction in a mauling case don't
have to prove the owner knew the dog was likely to kill, only that
the owner was aware the animal was potentially lethal and exposed
others to the danger.
The court returned the case to Superior Court to decide whether to
reinstate Knoller's murder conviction and 15-to-life sentence, or
order a new trial on the murder charge.
Warren willing to take case
Warren was willing to come out of retirement to handle the case, but
the court's presiding judge assigned it to Woolard - a decision that
Knoller's lawyer opposed and said he would raise in her appeal.
Riordan argued that Woolard was bound by Warren's finding that
Knoller hadn't known the dog could kill someone. That means she
wasn't guilty of murder even under the state Supreme Court's new
standard, Riordan said.
He noted that Warren had heard Knoller testify in person, while
Woolard was merely reviewing the written record.
Deputy Attorney General Amy Haddix countered that the jury's murder
verdict was amply supported by evidence that Knoller had been warned
the dogs were dangerous, had seen them repeatedly attack and
threaten other dogs and people, and had taken no steps to protect
Whipple. Woolard agreed in a ruling that took her nearly a half
hour to read from the bench.
When Knoller and Noel took custody of the dogs in 2000 from prison
inmates at Pelican Bay, the judge said, a veterinarian warned them
in a letter that the animals were huge, untrained and "a liability
in any household."
Woolard cited trial testimony about 30 incidents in which one or
both Presa Canarios lunged at, chased or bit other dogs and people,
with one or both owners looking on and seemingly unable to control
the animals. She noted that Knoller had appeared on ABC-TV's "Good
Morning America" shortly after the fatal attack, accused witnesses
of fabricating, and suggested Whipple was to blame for her own
death.
Despite Warren's conclusion that Knoller hadn't known Bane could
kill, Woolard said, the evidence showed that she had known that
both dogs "singularly or together were capable of killing a person
and, if not properly restrained, would kill a person."- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
May I introduce you folks to this guy,
"Frankly I've had enough of both of them. I have better things to do
with my time than their crap over and over again."
-- Moe (forevernitefan), obsessive-compulsive psycho , 8-13-08

This from the Obsessive-Compulsive Lying Coprophagic, Moe, aka. forevernitefan
aka
whitevamp (LOL!), who can't stop eating all the crap that her lover, felon
and galactic-class mythomaniac Kent Wills excretes every day on usenet.

http://tinyurl.com/forevernitefan

See alt.usenet.kooks for the history of these two pathetic fools.
Kent Wills
2008-08-23 19:06:08 UTC
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Post by _ Prof. Jonez _
Post by whitevamp
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/22/BAJC12GPD...
Murder conviction reinstated in fatal S.F. dog mauling
Bob Egelko,
San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, August 22, 2008
(08-22) 16:57 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- A judge reinstated a San
Francisco attorney's murder conviction Friday for her dog's fatal
mauling of her neighbor in an apartment building hallway in 2001
and ordered her jailed immediately while she awaits a prison
sentence of 15 years to life.
Marjorie Knoller, 53, sat quietly in the courtroom while Superior
Court Judge Charlotte Woolard discounted her testimony at her 2002
trial and said Knoller had known her dog was potentially lethal when
she took the animal out of her apartment without a muzzle.
The 140-pound Presa Canario, Bane, bolted away from Knoller and
attacked Diane Whipple, 33, who bled to death from at least 77
wounds. The dog's 100-pound mate, Hera, charged out of Knoller's
apartment and may have joined in the attack.
Knoller "knew her conduct endangered life" and thus was guilty of
murder, not merely manslaughter, Woolard said in rejecting a defense
request for a new trial. Prosecutors had appealed a decision by the
trial judge, who is now retired, to reduce the jury's second-degree
murder verdict to involuntary manslaughter.
Woolard scheduled sentencing for Sept. 22. Knoller had been
sentenced to four years for manslaughter and was paroled in January
2004, with time off for good behavior. She has been living in
Florida, where she takes care of her elderly mother, her lawyer
said.
The ruling brought smiles and tears from a group of Whipple's
friends in the courtroom. Her former partner, Sharon Smith, said
afterward that she was grateful for the decision, frustrated that
it had taken so long, and wanted Knoller "to be treated like any
other criminal who's committed murder."
Knoller's lawyer, Dennis Riordan, promised an extensive appeal in
both state and federal court. He said Woolard's ruling "stretched
the definition of murder" to reach a result "that may be popular,
perhaps, in San Francisco" but is on shaky legal ground.
Whipple, the women's lacrosse coach at St. Mary's College in Moraga,
was attacked in a sixth-floor hallway of the Pacific Heights
apartment building Jan. 26, 2001. Knoller had been walking Bane dog
on the roof of the building and had returned with him to the
corridor when he broke away and jumped at Whipple.
Woolard, at Friday's hearing, recounted descriptions by neighbors,
who heard Whipple's screams turn to whimpers before police found her
trying to crawl back to her apartment. Knoller emerged from her
apartment shortly afterward, bearing some scratches, and didn't ask
anyone about Whipple, the judge said, citing trial testimony.
A jury in Los Angeles, where the trial was moved because of
extensive publicity in the Bay Area, convicted Knoller of
second-degree murder in 2002. The panel found her then-husband and
law partner, Robert Noel, guilty of involuntary manslaughter for
leaving the dogs with his wife while knowing she couldn't control
them. He was paroled in September 2003.
Trial judge believed her
But Superior Court Judge James Warren reduced Knoller's conviction
to involuntary manslaughter, saying he believed her when she
testified she had no idea Bane might kill someone.
Knoller's case wound up back in Superior Court after the state
Supreme Court ruled last year that Warren had used the wrong legal
standard in reducing Knoller's conviction. The court said
prosecutors seeking a murder conviction in a mauling case don't
have to prove the owner knew the dog was likely to kill, only that
the owner was aware the animal was potentially lethal and exposed
others to the danger.
The court returned the case to Superior Court to decide whether to
reinstate Knoller's murder conviction and 15-to-life sentence, or
order a new trial on the murder charge.
Warren willing to take case
Warren was willing to come out of retirement to handle the case, but
the court's presiding judge assigned it to Woolard - a decision that
Knoller's lawyer opposed and said he would raise in her appeal.
Riordan argued that Woolard was bound by Warren's finding that
Knoller hadn't known the dog could kill someone. That means she
wasn't guilty of murder even under the state Supreme Court's new
standard, Riordan said.
He noted that Warren had heard Knoller testify in person, while
Woolard was merely reviewing the written record.
Deputy Attorney General Amy Haddix countered that the jury's murder
verdict was amply supported by evidence that Knoller had been warned
the dogs were dangerous, had seen them repeatedly attack and
threaten other dogs and people, and had taken no steps to protect
Whipple. Woolard agreed in a ruling that took her nearly a half
hour to read from the bench.
When Knoller and Noel took custody of the dogs in 2000 from prison
inmates at Pelican Bay, the judge said, a veterinarian warned them
in a letter that the animals were huge, untrained and "a liability
in any household."
Woolard cited trial testimony about 30 incidents in which one or
both Presa Canarios lunged at, chased or bit other dogs and people,
with one or both owners looking on and seemingly unable to control
the animals. She noted that Knoller had appeared on ABC-TV's "Good
Morning America" shortly after the fatal attack, accused witnesses
of fabricating, and suggested Whipple was to blame for her own
death.
Despite Warren's conclusion that Knoller hadn't known Bane could
kill, Woolard said, the evidence showed that she had known that
both dogs "singularly or together were capable of killing a person
and, if not properly restrained, would kill a person."- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
May I introduce you folks to this guy,
"Frankly I've had enough of both of them. I have better things to do
with my time than their crap over and over again."
-- Moe (forevernitefan), obsessive-compulsive psycho , 8-13-08
This from the Obsessive-Compulsive Lying Coprophagic, Moe, aka. forevernitefan
aka
whitevamp (LOL!), who can't stop eating all the crap that her lover, felon
and galactic-class mythomaniac Kent Wills excretes every day on usenet.
http://tinyurl.com/forevernitefan
See alt.usenet.kooks for the history of these two pathetic fools.
Some of Prof. Jonez greatest hits. Yes, he really did author the
quotes. He's even admitted that law enforcement took notes when they
visited him regarding his threats to my children.

"What you might call racist, an intelligent white person would
call realist."
-- Prof. Jonez

"I will admit that those who can't deal with the truth that
whites are the master race will find my posts annoying. Too fucking
bad for them. They can bury their heads in the sand and kill file me
if they don't like the truth!"
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"Kent Wills married a spic named Joquina Cruz. They have two
half-breed children. All of them should be put to death. First the
race traitor Kent, then the genetic misfits they produced, then the
pet spic."
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[FYI: Lindsay's real name isn't Joquina]

"Kent has committed the greatest crime imaginable. He
betrayed his own race!"
-- Prof. Jonez

"Death to Kent Wills and all race traitors!"
-- Prof. Jonez

"The fucking race traitor doesn't know his own birthdate? "
-- Prof. Jonez

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"That would be your fat kike ass."
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Reality_Check©
2008-08-23 21:08:14 UTC
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Post by whitevamp
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Murder conviction reinstated in fatal S.F. dog mauling
Bob Egelko,
San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, August 22, 2008
(08-22) 16:57 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- A judge reinstated a San
Francisco attorney's murder conviction Friday for her dog's fatal
mauling of her neighbor in an apartment building hallway in 2001
and ordered her jailed immediately while she awaits a prison
sentence of 15 years to life.
Marjorie Knoller, 53, sat quietly in the courtroom while Superior
Court Judge Charlotte Woolard discounted her testimony at her 2002
trial and said Knoller had known her dog was potentially lethal when
she took the animal out of her apartment without a muzzle.
The 140-pound Presa Canario, Bane, bolted away from Knoller and
attacked Diane Whipple, 33, who bled to death from at least 77
wounds. The dog's 100-pound mate, Hera, charged out of Knoller's
apartment and may have joined in the attack.
Knoller "knew her conduct endangered life" and thus was guilty of
murder, not merely manslaughter, Woolard said in rejecting a defense
request for a new trial. Prosecutors had appealed a decision by the
trial judge, who is now retired, to reduce the jury's second-degree
murder verdict to involuntary manslaughter.
Woolard scheduled sentencing for Sept. 22. Knoller had been
sentenced to four years for manslaughter and was paroled in January
2004, with time off for good behavior. She has been living in
Florida, where she takes care of her elderly mother, her lawyer
said.
The ruling brought smiles and tears from a group of Whipple's
friends in the courtroom. Her former partner, Sharon Smith, said
afterward that she was grateful for the decision, frustrated that
it had taken so long, and wanted Knoller "to be treated like any
other criminal who's committed murder."
Knoller's lawyer, Dennis Riordan, promised an extensive appeal in
both state and federal court. He said Woolard's ruling "stretched
the definition of murder" to reach a result "that may be popular,
perhaps, in San Francisco" but is on shaky legal ground.
Whipple, the women's lacrosse coach at St. Mary's College in Moraga,
was attacked in a sixth-floor hallway of the Pacific Heights
apartment building Jan. 26, 2001. Knoller had been walking Bane dog
on the roof of the building and had returned with him to the
corridor when he broke away and jumped at Whipple.
Woolard, at Friday's hearing, recounted descriptions by neighbors,
who heard Whipple's screams turn to whimpers before police found her
trying to crawl back to her apartment. Knoller emerged from her
apartment shortly afterward, bearing some scratches, and didn't ask
anyone about Whipple, the judge said, citing trial testimony.
A jury in Los Angeles, where the trial was moved because of
extensive publicity in the Bay Area, convicted Knoller of
second-degree murder in 2002. The panel found her then-husband and
law partner, Robert Noel, guilty of involuntary manslaughter for
leaving the dogs with his wife while knowing she couldn't control
them. He was paroled in September 2003.
Trial judge believed her
But Superior Court Judge James Warren reduced Knoller's conviction
to involuntary manslaughter, saying he believed her when she
testified she had no idea Bane might kill someone.
Knoller's case wound up back in Superior Court after the state
Supreme Court ruled last year that Warren had used the wrong legal
standard in reducing Knoller's conviction. The court said
prosecutors seeking a murder conviction in a mauling case don't
have to prove the owner knew the dog was likely to kill, only that
the owner was aware the animal was potentially lethal and exposed
others to the danger.
The court returned the case to Superior Court to decide whether to
reinstate Knoller's murder conviction and 15-to-life sentence, or
order a new trial on the murder charge.
Warren willing to take case
Warren was willing to come out of retirement to handle the case, but
the court's presiding judge assigned it to Woolard - a decision that
Knoller's lawyer opposed and said he would raise in her appeal.
Riordan argued that Woolard was bound by Warren's finding that
Knoller hadn't known the dog could kill someone. That means she
wasn't guilty of murder even under the state Supreme Court's new
standard, Riordan said.
He noted that Warren had heard Knoller testify in person, while
Woolard was merely reviewing the written record.
Deputy Attorney General Amy Haddix countered that the jury's murder
verdict was amply supported by evidence that Knoller had been warned
the dogs were dangerous, had seen them repeatedly attack and
threaten other dogs and people, and had taken no steps to protect
Whipple. Woolard agreed in a ruling that took her nearly a half
hour to read from the bench.
When Knoller and Noel took custody of the dogs in 2000 from prison
inmates at Pelican Bay, the judge said, a veterinarian warned them
in a letter that the animals were huge, untrained and "a liability
in any household."
Woolard cited trial testimony about 30 incidents in which one or
both Presa Canarios lunged at, chased or bit other dogs and people,
with one or both owners looking on and seemingly unable to control
the animals. She noted that Knoller had appeared on ABC-TV's "Good
Morning America" shortly after the fatal attack, accused witnesses
of fabricating, and suggested Whipple was to blame for her own
death.
Despite Warren's conclusion that Knoller hadn't known Bane could
kill, Woolard said, the evidence showed that she had known that
both dogs "singularly or together were capable of killing a person
and, if not properly restrained, would kill a person."- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
May I introduce you folks to this guy,
"Frankly I've had enough of both of them. I have better things to do
with my time than their crap over and over again."
-- Moe (forevernitefan), obsessive-compulsive psycho , 8-13-08
This from the Obsessive-Compulsive Lying Coprophagic, Moe, aka. forevernitefan
aka
whitevamp (LOL!), who can't stop eating all the crap that her lover, felon
and galactic-class mythomaniac Kent Wills excretes every day on usenet.
http://tinyurl.com/forevernitefan
See alt.usenet.kooks for the history of these two pathetic fools.
Some of Prof. Jonez greatest hits.
Rule #1 = Kent Wills ALWAYS Lies!


http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768

Name Kent Bradley Wills
Offender Number 1155768
Sex M
Birth Date 01/08/1969
Age 38
Location Interstate Compact
Offense BURGLARY 2ND DEGREE
County Of Commitment Polk
Commitment Date 01/16/2004
Duration
TDD/SDD *01/16/2009
Kent Wills
2008-08-23 19:09:52 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:36:13 -0700 (PDT), whitevamp
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:

[...]
Post by whitevamp
May I introduce you folks to this guy, Prof_Jonez also uses the nym
reality_check but his real name is Eric Ross. He popped into your
newsgroup because he likes to abuse people on usenet. If you have
Google, check out his posting history as " Prof_Jonez". The level of
activity, mostly abusive, is astounding. He has over the years used
many nyms, inclusing ultraman, vox ultra and others.
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman. he also has an
obsession about fecal eating and his level of cussing or vulgarity is
pathetic for a guy in his fourties. Rumor has it he ran off to Canada
to avoid charges of child sexual abuse.
He did claim that my position that he wasn't likely to be a
pedophile was wrong.

Some of Prof. Jonez greatest hits. Yes, he really did author the
quotes. He's even admitted that law enforcement took notes when they
visited him regarding his threats to my children.

"What you might call racist, an intelligent white person would
call realist."
-- Prof. Jonez

"I will admit that those who can't deal with the truth that
whites are the master race will find my posts annoying. Too fucking
bad for them. They can bury their heads in the sand and kill file me
if they don't like the truth!"
-- Prof. Jonez

"Kent Wills married a spic named Joquina Cruz. They have two
half-breed children. All of them should be put to death. First the
race traitor Kent, then the genetic misfits they produced, then the
pet spic."
-- Prof. Jonez

[FYI: Lindsay's real name isn't Joquina]

"Kent has committed the greatest crime imaginable. He
betrayed his own race!"
-- Prof. Jonez

"Death to Kent Wills and all race traitors!"
-- Prof. Jonez

"The fucking race traitor doesn't know his own birthdate? "
-- Prof. Jonez

"Why is it that kike child abusers, like you, have to lie all
the time?"
-- Prof. Jonez in reply to Doc Savage, an
observant Jew and Rabbi.

"Fucking kike liar."
-- Prof. Jonez in reply to Doc Savage, an
observant Jew and Rabbi.

"That would be your fat kike ass."
-- Prof. Jonez in reply to Doc Savage, an
observant Jew and Rabbi.
Reality_Check©
2008-08-23 21:09:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kent Wills
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:36:13 -0700 (PDT), whitevamp
[...]
Post by whitevamp
May I introduce you folks to this guy, Prof_Jonez also uses the nym
reality_check but his real name is Eric Ross. He popped into your
newsgroup because he likes to abuse people on usenet. If you have
Google, check out his posting history as " Prof_Jonez". The level of
activity, mostly abusive, is astounding. He has over the years used
many nyms, inclusing ultraman, vox ultra and others.
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman. he also has an
obsession about fecal eating and his level of cussing or vulgarity is
pathetic for a guy in his fourties. Rumor has it he ran off to Canada
to avoid charges of child sexual abuse.
He did claim
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768

Name Kent Bradley Wills
Offender Number 1155768
Sex M
Birth Date 01/08/1969
Age 38
Location Interstate Compact
Offense BURGLARY 2ND DEGREE
County Of Commitment Polk
Commitment Date 01/16/2004
Duration
TDD/SDD *01/16/2009
tjab
2008-08-25 21:36:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kent Wills
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:36:13 -0700 (PDT), whitevamp
[...]
Post by whitevamp
May I introduce you folks to this guy, Prof_Jonez also uses the nym
reality_check but his real name is Eric Ross. He popped into your
newsgroup because he likes to abuse people on usenet. If you have
Google, check out his posting history as " Prof_Jonez". The level of
activity, mostly abusive, is astounding. He has over the years used
many nyms, inclusing ultraman, vox ultra and others.
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman. he also has an
obsession about fecal eating and his level of cussing or vulgarity is
pathetic for a guy in his fourties. Rumor has it he ran off to Canada
to avoid charges of child sexual abuse.
He did claim that my position that he wasn't likely to be a
pedophile was wrong.
Rule #1: Kent Wills always lies.

[rest of Kent's lies snipped]
Kent Wills
2008-08-25 23:20:09 UTC
Permalink
On 25 Aug 2008 17:36:08 -0400, ***@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:

[...]
Post by tjab
Post by Kent Wills
Post by whitevamp
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman. he also has an
obsession about fecal eating and his level of cussing or vulgarity is
pathetic for a guy in his fourties. Rumor has it he ran off to Canada
to avoid charges of child sexual abuse.
He did claim that my position that he wasn't likely to be a
pedophile was wrong.
Rule #1: Kent Wills always lies.
[rest of Kent's lies snipped]
You already saw the post in which I stated it was unlikely he was
a pedophile and he stated the Iowa Supreme Court was saying I was
wrong.
Is there a specific reason you're lying?
--
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons...
for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
tjab
2008-08-26 02:40:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kent Wills
[...]
Post by tjab
Post by Kent Wills
Post by whitevamp
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman. he also has an
obsession about fecal eating and his level of cussing or vulgarity is
pathetic for a guy in his fourties. Rumor has it he ran off to Canada
to avoid charges of child sexual abuse.
He did claim that my position that he wasn't likely to be a
pedophile was wrong.
Rule #1: Kent Wills always lies.
[rest of Kent's lies snipped]
You already saw the post in which I stated it was unlikely he was
a pedophile and he stated the Iowa Supreme Court was saying I was
wrong.
Not so.

Rule #1: Kent Wills always lies.

Oh, and incidentally, what the Iowa Supreme Court said was that
your felony burglary conviction would stand. But you knew that.
tjab
2008-08-25 21:34:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by whitevamp
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=3D/c/a/2008/08/22/BAJC12GPD.=
..
Murder conviction reinstated in fatal S.F. dog mauling
Bob Egelko,
San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, August 22, 2008
(08-22) 16:57 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- A judge reinstated a San Francisco
attorney's murder conviction Friday for her dog's fatal mauling of her
neighbor in an apartment building hallway in 2001 and ordered her
jailed immediately while she awaits a prison sentence of 15 years to
life.
Marjorie Knoller, 53, sat quietly in the courtroom while Superior
Court Judge Charlotte Woolard discounted her testimony at her 2002
trial and said Knoller had known her dog was potentially lethal when
she took the animal out of her apartment without a muzzle.
The 140-pound Presa Canario, Bane, bolted away from Knoller and
attacked Diane Whipple, 33, who bled to death from at least 77 wounds.
The dog's 100-pound mate, Hera, charged out of Knoller's apartment and
may have joined in the attack.
Knoller "knew her conduct endangered life" and thus was guilty of
murder, not merely manslaughter, Woolard said in rejecting a defense
request for a new trial. Prosecutors had appealed a decision by the
trial judge, who is now retired, to reduce the jury's second-degree
murder verdict to involuntary manslaughter.
Woolard scheduled sentencing for Sept. 22. Knoller had been sentenced
to four years for manslaughter and was paroled in January 2004, with
time off for good behavior. She has been living in Florida, where she
takes care of her elderly mother, her lawyer said.
The ruling brought smiles and tears from a group of Whipple's friends
in the courtroom. Her former partner, Sharon Smith, said afterward
that she was grateful for the decision, frustrated that it had taken
so long, and wanted Knoller "to be treated like any other criminal
who's committed murder."
Knoller's lawyer, Dennis Riordan, promised an extensive appeal in both
state and federal court. He said Woolard's ruling "stretched the
definition of murder" to reach a result "that may be popular, perhaps,
in San Francisco" but is on shaky legal ground.
Whipple, the women's lacrosse coach at St. Mary's College in Moraga,
was attacked in a sixth-floor hallway of the Pacific Heights apartment
building Jan. 26, 2001. Knoller had been walking Bane dog on the roof
of the building and had returned with him to the corridor when he
broke away and jumped at Whipple.
Woolard, at Friday's hearing, recounted descriptions by neighbors, who
heard Whipple's screams turn to whimpers before police found her
trying to crawl back to her apartment. Knoller emerged from her
apartment shortly afterward, bearing some scratches, and didn't ask
anyone about Whipple, the judge said, citing trial testimony.
A jury in Los Angeles, where the trial was moved because of extensive
publicity in the Bay Area, convicted Knoller of second-degree murder
in 2002. The panel found her then-husband and law partner, Robert
Noel, guilty of involuntary manslaughter for leaving the dogs with his
wife while knowing she couldn't control them. He was paroled in
September 2003.
Trial judge believed her
But Superior Court Judge James Warren reduced Knoller's conviction to
involuntary manslaughter, saying he believed her when she testified
she had no idea Bane might kill someone.
Knoller's case wound up back in Superior Court after the state Supreme
Court ruled last year that Warren had used the wrong legal standard in
reducing Knoller's conviction. The court said prosecutors seeking a
murder conviction in a mauling case don't have to prove the owner knew
the dog was likely to kill, only that the owner was aware the animal
was potentially lethal and exposed others to the danger.
The court returned the case to Superior Court to decide whether to
reinstate Knoller's murder conviction and 15-to-life sentence, or
order a new trial on the murder charge.
Warren willing to take case
Warren was willing to come out of retirement to handle the case, but
the court's presiding judge assigned it to Woolard - a decision that
Knoller's lawyer opposed and said he would raise in her appeal.
Riordan argued that Woolard was bound by Warren's finding that Knoller
hadn't known the dog could kill someone. That means she wasn't guilty
of murder even under the state Supreme Court's new standard, Riordan
said.
He noted that Warren had heard Knoller testify in person, while
Woolard was merely reviewing the written record.
Deputy Attorney General Amy Haddix countered that the jury's murder
verdict was amply supported by evidence that Knoller had been warned
the dogs were dangerous, had seen them repeatedly attack and threaten
other dogs and people, and had taken no steps to protect Whipple.
Woolard agreed in a ruling that took her nearly a half hour to read
from the bench.
When Knoller and Noel took custody of the dogs in 2000 from prison
inmates at Pelican Bay, the judge said, a veterinarian warned them in
a letter that the animals were huge, untrained and "a liability in any
household."
Woolard cited trial testimony about 30 incidents in which one or both
Presa Canarios lunged at, chased or bit other dogs and people, with
one or both owners looking on and seemingly unable to control the
animals. She noted that Knoller had appeared on ABC-TV's "Good Morning
America" shortly after the fatal attack, accused witnesses of
fabricating, and suggested Whipple was to blame for her own death.
Despite Warren's conclusion that Knoller hadn't known Bane could kill,
Woolard said, the evidence showed that she had known that both dogs
"singularly or together were capable of killing a person and, if not
properly restrained, would kill a person."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
May I introduce you folks to this guy, Prof_Jonez also uses the nym
reality_check but his real name is Eric Ross. He popped into your
newsgroup because he likes to abuse people on usenet. If you have
Google, check out his posting history as " Prof_Jonez". The level of
activity, mostly abusive, is astounding. He has over the years used
many nyms, inclusing ultraman, vox ultra and others.
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman.
Liar.
Post by whitevamp
he also has an
obsession about fecal eating and his level of cussing or vulgarity is
pathetic for a guy in his fourties.
So says the pot.
Post by whitevamp
Rumor has it he ran off to Canada
to avoid charges of child sexual abuse.
Who started this rumor? You?

If you didn't, you'll be able to say who did. Can you?
Kent Wills
2008-08-25 23:18:55 UTC
Permalink
On 25 Aug 2008 17:34:26 -0400, ***@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:

[...]
Post by tjab
Post by whitevamp
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman.
Liar.
Your racist hero, Prof. Jonez, admitted notes were taken during
the meeting with law enforcement regarding his threats to my children.
Since only those who were present would be aware such notes were
taken, he must have been there.
Had he been there as an observer of some sort, he would have
pointed this out long ago.
The only rational conclusion that can be reached from your racist
hero's post is that he was visited by law enforcement in regards to
his racist threats to children.
Post by tjab
Post by whitevamp
he also has an
obsession about fecal eating and his level of cussing or vulgarity is
pathetic for a guy in his fourties.
So says the pot.
It's amazing how you are unable to hold your racist hero, Prof.
Jonez, to the same standards you hold to others.
Is your hero worship so complete? Serious question.
Post by tjab
Post by whitevamp
Rumor has it he ran off to Canada
to avoid charges of child sexual abuse.
Who started this rumor? You?
It wasn't Moe.
Post by tjab
If you didn't, you'll be able to say who did. Can you?
There is no way for her to know if Kerry started it, or simply
accepted it as truth.
In spite of your dishonestly worded question, the truth remains
that Moe didn't start it. She learned of it the same way I did, from
Kerry's post.
10 out of 10 for your attempt. Negative several billion due to
the deceptive nature of your question.
--
Vegetarian: Indian word for lousy hunter.
Reality_Check©
2008-08-25 23:39:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kent Wills
[...]
Post by whitevamp
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman.
Liar.
Your racist hero, Prof. Jonez, admitted notes were taken during
the meeting with law enforcement regarding his threats to my children.
Prove it you lying Kunt.


"You are in the Kill File. Have been for a while.
Note that I can only reply if I read someone
else's reply to you." -- Kent B Wills
krp
2008-08-26 12:09:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Reality_Check©
Post by Kent Wills
[...]
Post by whitevamp
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman.
Liar.
Your racist hero, Prof. Jonez, admitted notes were taken during
the meeting with law enforcement regarding his threats to my children.
Prove it you lying Kunt.
I don't know, Jonezie knows I am married to a Latina, so far no threats
to me.
Kent Wills
2008-08-26 23:08:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Post by Reality_Check©
Post by Kent Wills
[...]
Post by whitevamp
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman.
Liar.
Your racist hero, Prof. Jonez, admitted notes were taken during
the meeting with law enforcement regarding his threats to my children.
Prove it you lying Kunt.
I don't know, Jonezie knows I am married to a Latina, so far no threats
to me.
He already admitted law enforcement took notes during the
meeting. He's too afraid to expose his racial hatred now.
Not that it would matter with you. You claim your wife is white.
If true, Jonezie wouldn't have a problem with it.
Post by krp
"Exhibit 23" makes no sense. Apparently, my name is on it, along with
Michelle Deveraux and Chris Barden. Can anybody explain?
I feel so hurt. Diana doesn't even name me. Doesn't she know how
important I am?

Message-ID:<***@a-team.org>
Reality_Check©
2008-08-27 00:26:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kent Wills
Post by krp
Post by Reality_Check©
Post by Kent Wills
[...]
Post by whitevamp
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the "
mixed blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman.
Liar.
Your racist hero, Prof. Jonez, admitted notes were taken during
the meeting with law enforcement regarding his threats to my children.
Prove it you lying Kunt.
I don't know, Jonezie knows I am married to a Latina, so far no
threats to me.
He already admitted law enforcement took notes during the
meeting.
You're lying again, Kunt.

" Currently, we, citizens of the U.S., aren't allowed to go to
Venezuela or Cuba. My hope is that Venezuela's restriction will
be lifted after the next election."
- Kent Wills 2007, lying jackass


"What heterosexual male would feel insulted at being compared
to that most fascinating of the female anatomy, the vagina? None."
-- Kent Wills holds forth on heterosexual manhood
Robert D.
2008-08-27 00:33:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Reality_Check©
You're lying again, Kunt.
Do you often fantasize that Kent has a vagina?
Reality_Check©
2008-08-27 00:44:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert D.
Post by Reality_Check©
You're lying again, Kunt.
Do you often fantasize that Kent has a vagina?
"What heterosexual male would feel insulted at being compared
to that most fascinating of the female anatomy, the vagina? None."
-- Kent Wills holds forth on heterosexual manhood
Kent Wills
2008-08-27 04:07:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert D.
Post by Reality_Check©
You're lying again, Kunt.
Do you often fantasize that Kent has a vagina?
He will more probably fantasize that I'm a young child.
I once took the position that it was unlikely that racist Jonezie
was a pedophile. He replied by claiming the Iowa Supreme Court says
I'm wrong.
Either he is a pedophile, and has a criminal record in Iowa
related to it, or he lied. He's never stated which it is.
Post by Robert D.
Post by Reality_Check©
Or you could discuss the holocaust of Native Americans by
the invading White Man ...
Sure. I for Indian or N for Native?
Jonezie:
S for Savage.

Prof. Jonez expressing his racial HATE for Native Americans.
Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>
Reality_Check©
2008-08-27 04:08:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kent Wills
Post by Robert D.
Post by Reality_Check©
You're lying again, Kunt.
Do you often fantasize that Kent has a vagina?
He will more probably fantasize that I'm a young child.
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768

Name Kent Bradley Wills
Offender Number 1155768
Sex M
Birth Date 01/08/1969
Age 38
Location Interstate Compact
Offense BURGLARY 2ND DEGREE
County Of Commitment Polk
Commitment Date 01/16/2004
Duration
TDD/SDD *01/16/2009

Reality_Check©
2008-08-27 00:24:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Post by Reality_Check©
Post by Kent Wills
[...]
Post by whitevamp
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the "
mixed blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman.
Liar.
Your racist hero, Prof. Jonez, admitted notes were taken during
the meeting with law enforcement regarding his threats to my
children.
Prove it you lying Kunt.
I don't know, Jonezie knows I am married to a Latina, so far no
threats to me.
You married the Cuban prostitute you found strolling on el Malecón, right?
tjab
2008-08-26 02:37:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kent Wills
[...]
Post by whitevamp
This guy is a racist and a sexist and threatened to kill the " mixed
blood" children of a white man and a Latino woman.
Liar.
Your racist hero, Prof. Jonez, admitted notes were taken during
the meeting with law enforcement regarding his threats to my children.
Rule #1: Kent Wills always lies.

[rest of lies snipped]
Reality_Check©
2008-08-24 21:29:08 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:45:42 -0700 (PDT), earthage
Murder conviction reinstated in fatal S.F. dog mauling
Bob Egelko,
San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, August 22, 2008
I have a feeling that this case will be in appeals for the next 25
years because the accused is a lawyer.
The felon was a bad lawyer. If she didn't blatantly lie to the
grand jury, she wouldn't been in this predicament. Ditto with the
crappy defense and the dingbat lawyer representing her.
Some of the most anger provoking and powerful evidence that Knoller
did to hang herself was the "Good Morning America" interview with her
husband.
I look at it this way, she claimed to have been walking only Bain. Wasn't
that the male dogs name? And it was estimated he weighed
about 140 pounds. If she couldn't control him, it was her
responsibility to take proper precautions, use proper equipment, when
she took that dog out in public. He was a lethal weapon.
Does that apply to ALL animals/pets that have the "potential" to kill ?
They were
warned by a vet that he was a lethal weapon.
Is there any other kind?
They were 'in the
business of raising guard dogs.' So they had a *greater*
responsibility *because* they knew they were raising guard dogs.
And that little ditty is exactly where in statute or law?
It
was a business for them and by them having that business, they should
be held to a higher standard IMO.
I'm sure you realize after years on usenet that your opinion ain't worth
the electrons used to convey it.
Now she could have muzzled that dog when he was out in public.
She 'should have' been using a prong
collar on him. At the very least a choke chain set to the position
of highest control. But she didn't. Now I'm about 5'5", on a good
day ;-), and of average weight for my height. I always walk both my
dogs together, and they each weigh around 80 pounds, give or take a
pound or two depending upon how many treats they have had. That's 160
pounds, total weight.
Wow! and you're a mathematician too ...!
And my dogs can pull. They are very strong
dogs. The most they have pulled me is about five feet or so, until I
could dig my heals in, shorten up my leads, and make a stance. And
that was only ONE time, when they saw a pit bull coming towards us. Now,
when I see something that 'might be' a distraction to them, I
take pre-emptive action. I shorten up their leads IMMEDIATELY.
Define "IMMEDIATELY" .
And I'm using only one arm on each dog, because I always walk them
one on each side.
Sounds irresponsible.
I sometimes use prong collars, most often now
though, I use choke chains set in the *lesser* position of control,
So you *knowingly* take chances ... with OTHER people's safety, eh asshole?
Reality_Check©
2008-08-25 02:53:21 UTC
Permalink
I look at it this way, she claimed to have been walking only Bain.
Wasn't
that the male dogs name? And it was estimated he weighed about 140
pounds.
Hera and Bane were around 110-120lbs from most sources I read. They
had Hera for nine months and Bane for about four months.
I read everything else you wrote. The two big problems I see right
away on how Knoller and Noel handled their dogs, A) they never took
their dog to obedience school or did anything to train themselves in
handling such ferocious dogs. B) The dogs should had prong/pinch
collars on instead of harnesses. Harnesses should be warned on only
trained dogs. The difference that you described on controlling big
dogs and Knoller and Noel's actions, is that their arrogance impeded
them from learning to control such a big and dangerous animal.
It is idiotic to have these dogs in a one bedroom apartment in the
city. However, I don't see Marjorie Knoller's actions to a level of
malice that she had gotten a murder conviction. No matter how she
dug her own hole, by blatantly lying to the grand jury, lying on the
witness stand during her trial, the State needs to set a limit about
punishing them, when it is very tenuous that Knoller was showing
malicious intent. She and her husband idiotic, I do mean idiotic PR
campaign right
after the fatal mauling, and their lying is reprehensible, but it
shouldn't blind the picture that Knoller shouldn't get a second
degree murder conviction. There is ample evidence that they both
deserved their manslaughter conviction.
Okay, I have two points to ask you about then.
First, you don't think Knoller and Noel should be held to a higher
standard because their *business* was raising these dogs as guard
dogs for the drug trade?
You got a legal citation to this mythical "higher standard" ?
Correct me if I'm wrong,
You are.
but I thought there was evidence that they, along with their adopted son at
Pelican
Bay, were in the guard dog business?
So post your citation to criminal law that sets a "higher standard" for
businesses.
I thought there was also evidence of dog/human sex with Bain and
Knoller?
Is that the "higher standard" you're asserting?

Where, exactly, does "dog/human sex" apply to the criminal homicide
statutes?
Wasn't there evidence that it wasn't simply ignorance that kept these
two from training their dogs?
So anyone who doesn't "train" they dogs is liable for MURDER should
their dogs kill someone, eh numbnuts?
I thought there was ample evidence in
Noel's writings, that he especially relished in the dogs aggression
towards others?
Wouldn't make much of a guard dog if they were passive lap-dogs, eh?
So it wasn't simply that they didn't take their dogs
to obedience school or train their dogs.
What else was it then?
That would have been
counterproductive to their ideals and goals.
Which were to "murder" someone, eh jackass?
They boasted and bragged to their adopted son every time one of the dogs
attacked,
bit, or went after someone aggressively.
Which is what guard-dogs do.
As I'm typing this, I'm listening to the program on Animal Planet
about the Michael Vick pit bulls.
You get most of your legal "knowledge" from TV, don't you ?
Reality_Check©
2008-08-25 02:54:41 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:22:39 -0600, "Reality_Check©"
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:45:42 -0700 (PDT), earthage
Murder conviction reinstated in fatal S.F. dog mauling
Bob Egelko,
San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, August 22, 2008
I have a feeling that this case will be in appeals for the next 25
years because the accused is a lawyer.
Your "feeling" and $1 will buy you a cup of crap coffee at 7-11.
I happen to enjoy 7-11 coffee and it isn't crap.
Your delusional denial has escaped again ...
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